Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261634AbVADKXd (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:23:33 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261646AbVADKXd (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:23:33 -0500 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.46]:60658 "EHLO smtpout.mac.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261634AbVADKXa (ORCPT ); Tue, 4 Jan 2005 05:23:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20050104063622.GB26051@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> References: <200501032059.j03KxOEB004666@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <0F9DCB4E-5DD1-11D9-892B-000D9352858E@mac.com> <5B2E0ED4-5DD3-11D9-892B-000D9352858E@mac.com> <20050103221441.GA26732@infradead.org> <20050104054649.GC7048@alpha.home.local> <20050104063622.GB26051@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9F909072-5E3A-11D9-A816-000D9352858E@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Adrian Bunk , Willy Tarreau , William Lee Irwin III , Christoph Hellwig , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, William Lee Irwin III , Andries Brouwer , Horst von Brand , Maciej Soltysiak , Rik van Riel From: Felipe Alfaro Solana Subject: Re: starting with 2.7 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:23:06 +0100 To: Al Viro X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1750 Lines: 41 On 4 Jan 2005, at 07:36, Al Viro wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 06:46:49AM +0100, Willy Tarreau wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 10:14:42PM +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote: >>>> Gosh! I bought an ATI video card, I bought a VMware license, >>>> etc.... I >>>> want to keep using them. Changing a "stable" kernel will >>>> continuously >>>> annoy users and vendors. >>> >>> So buy some Operating System that supports the propritary software of >>> your choice but stop annoying us. >> >> That's what he did. But it was not written in the notice that it >> could stop >> working at any time :-) > > Do you want a long list of message-IDs going way, way back? Ones of > Linus' > postings saying that there never had been any promise whatsoever of > in-kernel > interfaces staying unchanged... I don't pretend that kernel interfaces stay written in stone, for ages. What I would like is that, at least, those interfaces were stable enough, let's say for a few months for a stable kernel series, so I don't have to keep bothering my propietary VMWare vendor to fix the problems for me, since the new kernel interface broke VMWare. Yeah, I know I could decide not to upgrade kernels in last instance, but that's not always possible. If kernel interfaces need to be changed for whatever reason, change them in 2.7, -mm, -ac or whatever tree first, and let the community know beforehand what those changes will be, and be prepared to adapt. Meanwhile, try to leave 2.6 as stable as possible. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/