Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262593AbVAEVUY (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:20:24 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262594AbVAEVUX (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:20:23 -0500 Received: from smtpout.mac.com ([17.250.248.45]:26826 "EHLO smtpout.mac.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262593AbVAEVUD (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:20:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: <41DBEC44.9080104@hist.no> References: <200501032059.j03KxOEB004666@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> <0F9DCB4E-5DD1-11D9-892B-000D9352858E@mac.com> <5B2E0ED4-5DD3-11D9-892B-000D9352858E@mac.com> <20050103221441.GA26732@infradead.org> <20050104054649.GC7048@alpha.home.local> <20050104063622.GB26051@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk> <9F909072-5E3A-11D9-A816-000D9352858E@mac.com> <41DBEC44.9080104@hist.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7868F24D-5F5F-11D9-AB48-000D9352858E@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Adrian Bunk , Willy Tarreau , Al Viro , William Lee Irwin III , William Lee Irwin III , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Christoph Hellwig , Andries Brouwer , Horst von Brand , Maciej Soltysiak , Rik van Riel From: Felipe Alfaro Solana Subject: Re: starting with 2.7 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:19:23 +0100 To: Helge Hafting X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1857 Lines: 44 On 5 Jan 2005, at 14:31, Helge Hafting wrote: > Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > >> >> I don't pretend that kernel interfaces stay written in stone, for >> ages. What I would like is that, at least, those interfaces were >> stable enough, let's say for a few months for a stable kernel series, >> so I don't have to keep bothering my propietary VMWare vendor to fix >> the problems for me, since the new kernel interface broke VMWare. >> Yeah, I know I could decide not to upgrade kernels in last instance, >> but that's not always possible. > > You should definitely bother your proprietary vendor all the time, > they will then > see more clearly that they have to act fast _if_ they want to stay > proprietary. I do bother them, but they try at its best to fix things, and they do. They are propietary, and neither me nor anyone can force them to change their minds. >> If kernel interfaces need to be changed for whatever reason, change >> them in 2.7, -mm, -ac or whatever tree first, and let the community >> know beforehand what those changes will be, and be prepared to adapt. >> Meanwhile, try to leave 2.6 as stable as possible. > > Do you follow -mm, -ac, and friends closely? Most changes do happen > in -mm first. > So you have time, all the way up to the next release. Use that time > to bug your > vendor about the imminent change. There seems to be weeks between > releases > now, plenty of time for a vendor to stay up-to-date. I try to follow -mm releases closely, but as someone said, the ChangeLog is extremely dense for me to try to understand what's going on deeply. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/