Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:53:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:53:13 -0400 Received: from snark.tuxedo.org ([207.106.50.26]:34826 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:53:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:53:36 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: David Emory Watson Cc: Alexander Viro , aia21@cam.ac.uk, stoffel@casc.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: CML2 1.3.1, aka "I stick my neck out a mile..." Message-ID: <20010430025335.A5189@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: "Eric S. Raymond" , David Emory Watson , Alexander Viro , aia21@cam.ac.uk, stoffel@casc.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <988611138.21363.1.camel@shade> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <988611138.21363.1.camel@shade>; from demoryw@pacbell.net on Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 11:12:18PM -0700 Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org David Emory Watson : > Oh. Well in hindsight, I guess your are right. After all I wouldn't > want to be a luser, much less associated with AOL. Gosh I never > realized. Maybe I just didn't read the right standards manual when I > started using the internet. Where did you learn all of this? No, > nevermind I don't care. I'm sorry for contributing to this silly flame > war. Time for me to put on my hacker-folklorist hat... Actually, Al is sort of half-right here. There used to be a 4-lines-or-less convention on USENET, back in the days when bandwidth was expensive. I adhered to it then, because it mattered. Nowadays it doesn't -- at least not at that level. Huge sigs with embedded ASCII graphics and the like are still best avoided, but merely because they're tasteless and distracting. I don't think I've heard anyone invoke the 4-line rule since about 1992, though. I didn't start generating short random quotes into my sig until about 1996, well after the "standard" was effectively dead. Despite the demise of the 4-line standard, I have a pretty definite impression that the average size of sigs actually dropped in the 1990s. The main thing that formerly inflated a lot of them was the need to list multiple bang-path addresses and other forms of contact info. Reliable @-addressing pretty much eliminated that pressure. Even back in its day this "rule" was frequently abused as a socially acceptable way to attack people whose opinions or style one disliked. This is doubtless one reason it failed to survive the bandwidth boom. Hmmm. Maybe this should be a Jargon File entry... -- Eric S. Raymond The politician attempts to remedy the evil by increasing the very thing that caused the evil in the first place: legal plunder. -- Frederick Bastiat - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/