Subject: Re: Announce loop-AES-v3.0b file/swap crypto package
From: Daniel Harvey <daniel@amristar.com.au>
To: Fruhwirth Clemens <clemens@endorphin.org>
Cc: markus reichelt <ml@bitfalle.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
       linux-crypto@nl.linux.org
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:06:44 +0800
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Hi Fruhwirth,

I don't want to take 'emotional' sides in this debate, but an
observation:

Re: "Enlightenment is a gift everyone has to fight for on it's own." If
I can contrast, Jari's code gets some good use/discussion because if a
question is raised, it gets answered *in detail* the same day (almost
always - I don't know how Jari finds the time). Now I am prepared to
accept your philosophy on life (to each his own) but OSS (open source
crypto even more so) lives (or dies) on the ability of the community to
support the software - and they will only do that if it can be
communicated effectively to the *users*. Now having been through your
web site (and most posts), I can see your interest in the subject, but
comments like this just don't help that communication!

I use loop-aes, and despite reading this debate each and every time it
comes up, not been convinced to change yet (still hoping for a
resolution and mainline merge though :-)).

Daniel.
-- 
Daniel Harvey <daniel@amristar.com.au>

On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 00:11 +0100, Fruhwirth Clemens wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-01-17 at 22:26 +0100, markus reichelt wrote:
> 
> > Fruhwirth Clemens <clemens@endorphin.org> wrote:
> > > This is FUD. To get serious in-depth information about the problems
> > > associated with dm-crypt and loop-aes read,
> > > 
> > > http://clemens.endorphin.org/LinuxHDEncSettings
> > 
> > excuse me, but that's just too academic for the end user. whatever
> > you're trying to say (apart from your obvious grudge against what
> > Jari is doing), it's not clear enough.
> 
> I can't do nothing about that. Enlightenment is a gift everyone has to
> fight for on it's own.
> 
> To the rest of your slightly emotional post. Most of the question have
> been already answered. I'm not going to restate my answers, the archive
> has it. 
> 
> To your critiques of my reviewers: 
> 
> Your personal opinion has the same importance to me as the my review
> sources have to you. That's none.
> 
> What probably makes a different for others is, that the review sources
> on my web pages includes kernel developers, regulars on the dm-crypt
> mailing list and the IEEE chairman of Security in Storage Working Group.
> 
> I'm sorry for my ranting ignorance. Life time is a limited resource.
> Especially mine.


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