Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261199AbVARJ0E (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:26:04 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261203AbVARJ0E (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:26:04 -0500 Received: from gate.firmix.at ([80.109.18.208]:26511 "EHLO gate.firmix.at") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261199AbVARJZ6 (ORCPT ); Tue, 18 Jan 2005 04:25:58 -0500 Subject: Re: IBM Patents From: Bernd Petrovitsch To: schauer@acousta.at Cc: lkml In-Reply-To: <1106037430.7191.5.camel@FC3-bernhard-1.acousta.local> References: <1105973138.28592.26.camel@tara.firmix.at> <1106037430.7191.5.camel@FC3-bernhard-1.acousta.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Organization: Firmix Software GmbH Message-Id: <1106040356.17119.11.camel@tara.firmix.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.5.5 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 10:25:56 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2060 Lines: 42 On Tue, 2005-01-18 at 09:37 +0100, Bernhard Schauer wrote: > > And almost all of them are pure software-patents and probably prior art. > > Thus they are - at least in Europe - not relevant and actually illegal > > if you believe in the current European patent law as defined by the > > European Patent Convention (see ?52(2) for details). > > Hopefully nothing will change in future! Except the European Patent In terms of above statement, yes. It actually needs means to seriously control the EPO and national POs - there absolutely no independent justice (similar to other democratic systems) there. Nevertheless the evil propaganda was working since years to get the decision makers (read: law and politics folks with (almost) no knowledge of "programming", "software" and/or copyright/author's rights) to believe in "monopolies on ideas are good for small companies". And there are other forces pushing in that direction but without prove I won't speak about it .... > Office should stop to give away software patents (even if they have no > legal basis). >From a juristical point of view (and "they" are actually saying that) they are "legal" (since they are granted) - even there are severe concerns (read: there are not fulfilled in any way) about the preconditions. However the POs get more money from granted patents than from not granted ones (for actually less work - for the patent proving person it is more work to seriously explain a declined patent instead of - more or less - simply accepting it) and the POs have absolutely no risk. Guess what will happen ..... Bernd, stopping now since it is quite off-topic here -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/