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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 92si21161244pld.383.2019.04.25.01.16.22; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 01:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=fail header.i=@infradead.org header.s=bombadil.20170209 header.b=LT4QxPvI; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729301AbfDYFpl (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 25 Apr 2019 01:45:41 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([198.137.202.133]:57548 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729280AbfDYFpl (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Apr 2019 01:45:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=bombadil.20170209; h=Mime-Version:Content-Type:References: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+MqFPJr2T/ff0Z9B247VuGnlS9FZubO2rX0/L9ixT1k=; b=LT4QxPvICGxcFGnbSRexA6Wo9 4gVX4V+vLD3OLOv5C72x/Pm/NiQ0wbH0EI/RPi6tnSXmprOWAfKA6e3I0GV0wTLJdluQ7//SI+JLs S1qNZFK1kzqwpzea+zafmCMQ2I1ETD2gar4njoMfz1y9CkMqtZadT34yHwXbYIf3aO6oDNW+aplmK m3SGFfCQvDNpLvIEiqBMGrvdQMi1C27inDYGNF6Nbq+u+RrKtlkfzeUu1kRz8wx83MD+M1rAWFn7Y YO3bbA8aesJye0dA17xY6VNVv+I97bFFP8PKLWK22EuX3R07I0/OBZcHX2tovPaPhSwrRRy6mQqsj ge9sqn+IA==; Received: from 54-240-197-232.amazon.com ([54.240.197.232] helo=iad7-dhcp-95-147-94.iad7.amazon.com) by bombadil.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1hJXCR-00042l-Tg; Thu, 25 Apr 2019 05:45:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Adding per-controller timeout support to nvme From: David Woodhouse To: Sagi Grimberg , Keith Busch Cc: Jens Axboe , James Smart , linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Keith Busch , Maximilian Heyne , Amit Shah , Christoph Hellwig Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 07:45:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <20190403123506.122904-1-mheyne@amazon.de> <20190424200706.GB15412@localhost.localdomain> <983e5d039dce9de1d32c71d28fd59bbc01c3fee5.camel@infradead.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-LqV3BTfdpP0ABDIEU1eh" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5-0ubuntu0.18.04.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by bombadil.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-LqV3BTfdpP0ABDIEU1eh Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 13:58 -0700, Sagi Grimberg wrote: > > It isn't that the media is slow; the max timeout is based on the SLA > > for certain classes of "fabric" outages. Linux copes *really* badly > > with I/O errors, and if we can make the timeout last long enough to > > cover the switch restart worst case, then users are a lot happier. >=20 > Well, what is usually done to handle fabric outages is having multiple > paths to the storage device, not sure if that is applicable for you or > not... Yeah, that turns out to be impractical in this case. > What do you mean by "Linux copes *really* badly with I/O errors"? What > can be done better? There's not a lot that can be done here in the short term. If file systems get errors on certain I/O, then graceful recovery would be complicated to achieve. 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