Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262115AbVBJN6s (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:58:48 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262117AbVBJN6s (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:58:48 -0500 Received: from unthought.net ([212.97.129.88]:24972 "EHLO unthought.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262115AbVBJN6q (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:58:46 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:58:45 +0100 From: Jakob Oestergaard To: Ingo Molnar Cc: pageexec@freemail.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Arjan van de Ven , "Theodore Ts'o" Subject: Re: the "Turing Attack" (was: Sabotaged PaXtest) Message-ID: <20050210135845.GT347@unthought.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jakob Oestergaard , Ingo Molnar , pageexec@freemail.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Arjan van de Ven , Theodore Ts'o References: <42080689.15768.1B0C5E5F@localhost> <42093CC7.5086.1FC83D3E@localhost> <20050208164815.GA9903@elte.hu> <20050208220851.GA23687@elte.hu> <20050210134314.GA4146@elte.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050210134314.GA4146@elte.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1199 Lines: 34 On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 02:43:14PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > * pageexec@freemail.hu wrote: > > > the bigger problem is however that you're once again fixing the > > symptoms, instead of the underlying problem - not the correct > > approach/mindset. > > i'll change my approach/mindset when it is proven that "the underlying > problem" can be solved. (in a deterministic fashion) I know neither exec-shield nor PaX and therefore have no bias or preference - I thought I should chirp in on your comment here Ingo... ... > PaX cannot be a 'little bit pregnant'. (you might argue that exec-shield > is in the 6th month, but that does not change the fundamental > end-result: a child will be born ;-) Yes and no. I would think that the chances of a child being born are greater if the pregnancy has lasted successfully up until the 6th month, compared to a first week pregnancy. I assume you get my point :) -- / jakob - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/