Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261309AbVBYUbV (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:31:21 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261311AbVBYUbV (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:31:21 -0500 Received: from fire.osdl.org ([65.172.181.4]:34437 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261309AbVBYUbS (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 15:31:18 -0500 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 12:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: Linus Torvalds To: Russell King cc: Paulo Marques , Linux Kernel List , Sam Ravnborg Subject: Re: ARM undefined symbols. Again. In-Reply-To: <20050225202349.C27842@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> Message-ID: References: <20050124154326.A5541@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20050131161753.GA15674@mars.ravnborg.org> <20050207114359.A32277@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20050208194243.GA8505@mars.ravnborg.org> <20050208200501.B3544@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20050209104053.A31869@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20050213172940.A12469@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <4210A345.6030304@grupopie.com> <20050225194823.A27842@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20050225202349.C27842@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1523 Lines: 37 On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Russell King wrote: > > We can't say "you must use the current CVS binutils to build the > kernel" because that's not a sane toolchain base to build products > on. Sure. But it's probably enough that just a couple of core developers would have a CVS version to make sure that when it occasionally happens, it gets noticed quickly enough. In other words, I don't think you can say "get the CVS version" to most users, but I do not see for example you you or some of the people around you don't have at least one setup set up with that fixed version. This has been going on for at least a year, probably longer. I could understand it if it was a "we found this old bug, and haven't had time to get around it", but what I don't understand is when there's been a tools bug that's been known about for a long time, and apparently nobody has ever even bothered to try the fixed versions. > And yes, the toolchain peoples point of view is "fix the kernel". For a known bug where just having _one_ active developer using a fixed tool would mean that this doesn't happen? That makes no sense. Or, more likely, it means that the toolchain people are incompetent bastards who don't care about bugs and have no pride at all in what they do. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/