Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262801AbVBYXYu (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:24:50 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262802AbVBYXYt (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:24:49 -0500 Received: from viper.oldcity.dca.net ([216.158.38.4]:65223 "HELO viper.oldcity.dca.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S262801AbVBYXYs (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:24:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Xterm Hangs - Possible scheduler defect? From: Lee Revell To: "Chad N. Tindel" Cc: Helge Hafting , Paulo Marques , Chris Friesen , Mike Galbraith , akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20050225210225.GA89109@calma.pair.com> References: <20050224075756.GA18639@calma.pair.com> <30111.1109237503@www1.gmx.net> <20050224175331.GA18723@calma.pair.com> <421E1AC1.1020901@nortel.com> <20050224183851.GA24359@calma.pair.com> <421E2528.8060305@grupopie.com> <20050224192237.GA31894@calma.pair.com> <20050225202543.GA1249@hh.idb.hist.no> <20050225210225.GA89109@calma.pair.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 18:24:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1109373886.14434.7.camel@krustophenia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1158 Lines: 23 On Fri, 2005-02-25 at 16:02 -0500, Chad N. Tindel wrote: > They're expensive and customers don't expect a single userspace thread to > tie up the other 63 CPUs no matter how buggy it is. It is intuitively obvious > that a buggy kernel can bring a system to its knees, but it is not intuitively > obvious that a buggy userspace app can do the same thing. It is more of a > supportability issue than anything, because you expect the other processors > to function properly so you can get in and live-debug the application when it > hits a bug that makes it CPU-bound. This is especially important if the box > is, say, in a remote jungle of China or something where you don't have access > to the console. "Unix policy is to not stop root from doing stupid things because that would also stop him from doing clever things." - Andi Kleen "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" - Derek Smalls Lee - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/