Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261527AbVCCFlw (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:41:52 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261532AbVCCFlg (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:41:36 -0500 Received: from fire.osdl.org ([65.172.181.4]:27846 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261520AbVCCFiV (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:38:21 -0500 Message-ID: <42269FFF.1040004@osdl.org> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:26:23 -0800 From: "Randy.Dunlap" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Jones CC: Andrew Morton , torvalds@osdl.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering References: <20050302230634.A29815@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <42265023.20804@pobox.com> <20050303002733.GH10124@redhat.com> <20050302203812.092f80a0.akpm@osdl.org> <20050303052100.GA22952@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20050303052100.GA22952@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2782 Lines: 55 Dave Jones wrote: > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 08:38:12PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote: > > Dave Jones wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 04:00:46PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > > > > I would not keep regular driver updates from a 2.6. thing. > > > > > > Then the notion of it being stable is bogus, given how many regressions > > > the last few kernels have brought in drivers. Moving from 2.6.9 -> 2.6.10 > > > broke ALSA, USB, parport, firewire, and countless other little bits and > > > pieces that users tend to notice. > > > > Grump. Have all these regressions received the appropriate level of > > visibility on this mailing list? > > For the most part these things are usually known about by their upstream > authors. To give an example: ALSA update in 2.6.10 broke sound for a > bunch of IBM thinkpads. As it turns out there are quite a lot of these > out there, so when I released a 2.6.10 update for Fedora, bugzilla lit > up like a christmas tree with "Hey, where'd my sound go?" reports. > (It was further confused by a load of other sound card problems, but > thats another issue). This got so out of control, Alan asked the ALSA > folks to take a look, and iirc Takashi figured out what had caused the > problem, and it got fixed in the ALSA folks tree, and subsequently, in 2.6.11rc. > > Now, during all this time, there hadn't been any reports of this problem > at all on Linux-kernel. Not even from Linus' tree, let alone -mm. > Which amazes me given how widespread the problem was. > > > I too am a little put off by the number of regressions which certain > > (admittedly tricky) subsystems keep on introducing. One does wonder how > > careful people are being at the development stage. And that's a thing > > which we can surely fix. > > For example, here's today's crop (so far): > > > > include/linux/soundcard.h:195: warning: `_PATCHKEY' redefined > > include/linux/awe_voice.h:33: warning: this is the location of the previous definition > > compile time regressions we should be able to nail down fairly easily. > (someone from OSDL is already doing compile stats and such on each release > [too bad they're mostly incomprehensible to the casual viewer]) > The bigger problem is runtime testing. If things aren't getting the > exposure they need, we're going to get screwed over by something or other > every time Linus bk pull's some random driver repo. I'll ding the OSDL release builder about that (I agree with you).... -- ~Randy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/