Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261266AbVCCUZ4 (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:25:56 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262449AbVCCUW6 (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:22:58 -0500 Received: from parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk ([195.92.249.252]:2983 "EHLO parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261266AbVCCUTv (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 15:19:51 -0500 Message-ID: <4227714E.5070001@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:19:26 -0500 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040922 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David S. Miller" CC: torvalds@osdl.org, tglx@linutronix.de, bunk@stusta.de, greg@kroah.com, akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering References: <42268749.4010504@pobox.com> <20050302200214.3e4f0015.davem@davemloft.net> <42268F93.6060504@pobox.com> <4226969E.5020101@pobox.com> <20050302205826.523b9144.davem@davemloft.net> <4226C235.1070609@pobox.com> <20050303080459.GA29235@kroah.com> <4226CA7E.4090905@pobox.com> <20050303170808.GG4608@stusta.de> <1109877336.4032.47.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de> <42276AF5.3080603@pobox.com> <20050303120408.746f49a8.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20050303120408.746f49a8.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1548 Lines: 47 David S. Miller wrote: > On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:52:21 -0500 > Jeff Garzik wrote: > > >>I disagree it's unsolvable: >> >>1) At some point in the -rc cycle, you put your foot down and say >>"nothing but bugfixes." > > > Linus actually did, as Andrew showed you, and it was actually followed > quite well. > > You keep ignoring this evidence, why? > > You can quiet me up about this by showing counter evidence to what > Andrew pointed out to you. I agree this occurred. I'm not ignoring the evidence, you are ignoring the part you didn't quote -- the key component of the "users don't test" problem. A user who doesn't follow LKML does not know that Linus put his foot down in 2.6.11-rc3. or 2.6.10-rc2. or 2.6.9-rc1. A user just sees "at some random point, which is never consistent, it becomes bugfixes only." The lack of consistency is the problem. That is why posters in this thread keep suggesting a -pre/-rc split. That is why posters in this thread talk about "users don't trust -rc to mean -rc." Marcelo consistently says "-rc means serious bugfixes only" and never deviates from that. And that builds users TRUST. "putting down your foot" is only half the solution. The other half is, "users need not follow LKML to know when this occurs." Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/