Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262974AbVCDShG (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:37:06 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262971AbVCDSfH (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:35:07 -0500 Received: from parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk ([195.92.249.252]:54178 "EHLO parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262972AbVCDScq (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 Mar 2005 13:32:46 -0500 Message-ID: <4228A9B9.4060308@pobox.com> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 13:32:25 -0500 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040922 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linus Torvalds CC: Andrew Morton , Jens Axboe , tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: RFD: Kernel release numbering References: <422751C1.7030607@pobox.com> <20050303181122.GB12103@kroah.com> <20050303151752.00527ae7.akpm@osdl.org> <20050303234523.GS8880@opteron.random> <20050303160330.5db86db7.akpm@osdl.org> <20050304025746.GD26085@tolot.miese-zwerge.org> <20050303213005.59a30ae6.akpm@osdl.org> <1109924470.4032.105.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de> <20050304005450.05a2bd0c.akpm@osdl.org> <20050304091612.GG14764@suse.de> <20050304012154.619948d7.akpm@osdl.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1347 Lines: 35 Linus Torvalds wrote: > I've long since decided that there's no point to making "-pre". What's the > difference between a "-pre" and a daily -bk snapshot? Really? Several non-BK developers use the first -rc1 as a merge point. Others simply trust that _Linus_ has a lot more smarts than an automated script, about deciding when a good testing point should occur. Holy Penguin Pee has value, they feel. > So when I do a release, it _is_ an -rc. The fact that people have trouble > understanding this is not _my_ fault. If you want people to start testing, a good first step would be understanding why this is so. Users have been trained that -rc means "serious bugfixes only". You are trying to re-train them. That just won't work. When you do an -rc1 or -rc2, it is not serious bugfixes only. _Especially_ rc1. rc1 is in no way "bugfixes only." Non-BK developers just treat the first couple -rc's as a merge point, while the rest of us BK developers have already gone into "send bugfixes only" mode. You are fighting an uphill battle against user perceptions and training. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/