Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262027AbVCTGqR (ORCPT ); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:46:17 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262030AbVCTGqR (ORCPT ); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:46:17 -0500 Received: from warden2-p.diginsite.com ([209.195.52.120]:10929 "HELO warden2.diginsite.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S262027AbVCTGqL (ORCPT ); Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:46:11 -0500 From: David Lang To: Lee Revell Cc: Diego Calleja , linux-kernel Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:44:01 -0800 (PST) X-X-Sender: dlang@dlang.diginsite.com Subject: Re: dmesg verbosity [was Re: AGP bogosities] In-Reply-To: <1110827273.14842.3.camel@mindpipe> Message-ID: References: <16944.62310.967444.786526@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com><20050314083717.GA19337@elf.ucw.cz><200503140855.18446.jbarnes@engr.sgi.com><20050314191230.3eb09c37.diegocg@gmail.com> <1110827273.14842.3.camel@mindpipe> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1292 Lines: 32 On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 19:12 +0100, Diego Calleja wrote: >> Why should people look at all that "horrid" debug info everytime >> they boot, except when they have a problem? > > I'm really not trolling, but I suspect if we made the boot process less > verbose, people would start to wonder more about why Linux takes so much > longer than XP to boot. two things 1. linux shouldn't take longer to boot then windows (and if properly configured it doesn't) 2. there's a _long_ way between the current situation where a driver can spew 500+ lines of logging and there being so little logging that people don't know what's going on. if you are on a slow console (say a serial console) just letting the boot messages scroll by can take quite a while today. David Lang -- There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. -- C.A.R. Hoare - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/