Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:08:05 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:07:56 -0400 Received: from alcove.wittsend.com ([130.205.0.20]:43178 "EHLO alcove.wittsend.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:07:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 14:07:23 -0400 From: "Michael H. Warfield" To: Alan Cox Cc: Keith Owens , Matti Aarnio , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-admin@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: ORBS blacklist is BROKEN (deliberately)... Message-ID: <20010715140723.C28197@alcove.wittsend.com> Mail-Followup-To: Alan Cox , Keith Owens , Matti Aarnio , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-admin@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <10249.995101943@ocs3.ocs-net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.2i In-Reply-To: ; from alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk on Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:17:46PM +0100 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Jul 14, 2001 at 01:17:46PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > http://www.e-scrub.com/orbs/ is the key. "Ronald F. Guilmette" > > sent this message to spam lists. Anybody still using > > ORBS for lookups can expect to get random mail bounces. > Yeah he's decided to solve his load problem by committing an act of criminal > fraud, computer misuse and a few other violations I can't find any crimes or violations that he's commiting. His ethics may suck, but his system is being used against his explicitly stated wishes. Personally, I think he would have been better off rejecting everything and then people still using ORBS would see the quality of the service drop as their SPAM level rose. But that's still tantamount to the same thing. The information he is supplying is false and people are relying on that information. But he's not obligated to provide that information, in the first place, and there is NO guarantee of reliability of that information. The real solution is to get his name server out of the list for those zones. He is also not committing any sort of fraud, either. He is stating right up front that this information is wrong. He's not pretending that it's anything else other than false. The whole system is dead, so he has no way to provide accurate information, so I would say he's being a lot more honest than the other 10 name servers which continue to answer queries as if nothing has changed. Now THAT'S a possibility for fraud. Computer misuse? No... I don't think so. His computer is being missused, sort of, but he's not misusing anyone elses computer. He's not forcing them to rely on his information and he's even stating to everyone that the information is wrong. But with the demise of ORBS there is no way on God's green earth of the information being right, anyways... > > Because of the way Alan disabled the former ORBS list zones, my name > > server is now shouldering (at least) 1/11th of the total world-wide > [I think he means the way the courts did..] It's probably the way the zones were left hanging with NS records pointing at him that he can't control. Problem goes away if someone can take his server out of the NS list. It's a techincal issue, not a legal issue, with regards to this one server. Doesn't change the fact that all the rest of the servers are serving up responses that are going to be increasingly out of date and inaccurate. Is that any better than information that is just flat out uniformly wrong, and admits it? > And guess what, as soon as ORBS got beaten off the net MAPS starts talking > about charging for their service, just like they promised they never would Sigh... > Alan > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-admin" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org Mike -- Michael H. Warfield | (770) 985-6132 | mhw@WittsEnd.com (The Mad Wizard) | (678) 463-0932 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471 | possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/