Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:40:03 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:39:53 -0400 Received: from merc94.na.sas.com ([149.173.6.4]:7182 "EHLO merc94.na.sas.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <0632CC5F67853B4D96D542BAE8AD00826FCDE2@merc08.na.sas.com> From: Ed Connell To: "'linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org'" Cc: "'david.madore@ens.fr'" Subject: RE: *very* strange heisenbug (kernel? libc?) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:39:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org It sounds like you are having the same problem I've been having for the past several weeks. Check out http://sources.redhat.com/ml/bug-glibc/2001-06/msg00079.html or http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0106.2/0472.html for my description of the problem. The basic idea is, a multithreaded program on an SMP box seems to run fine except when 'exec'd from a shell script where I get intermittant crashes and hangs. Removing CPU's down to one or booting a uniprocessor kernel makes the problem go away. I've been playing with linuxthreads and the kernel trying to figure out what's going on. Linuxthreads makes clone calls from time to time to create new threads. Occasionally, it seems that the cloned process is getting a SEGV as it is being scheduled for the very first time. As far as I can tell this is happening in the switch_to() macro call in schedule() (kernel/sched.c). This happens before the original cloning process is even done with the do_fork() call which is a little unnerving. I'm not sure if the kernel or linuxthreads is at fault. I will continue to poke around at this problem. Suggestions encouraged. Cheers, Ed ----- Message from David Madore ----- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:46:41 +0200 From: David Madore To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: *very* strange heisenbug (kernel? libc?) User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Hello all. I have encountered a very, very strange bug, which has caused me a good number of hours pulling my hair trying to figure out what was going on. I don't even know if it's a kernel bug, a glibc bug, or a misunderstanding on my part. The basic program is simple enough - see ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/tmp/weirdbug/weirdbug.c. All it does is open the Linux TUN/TAP device (/dev/misc/net/tun), register a tap device named "test0" (the actual name is unimportant), and then create a thread which runs an idle loop before quitting immediately. This seems sane enough. The code to open the TUN/TAP device (function init_tap()) is practically copied from the sample code in the documentation, and the rest is trivial. I can hardly imagine where it might contain an error. Yet I have gotten it to dump core. See ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/tmp/weirdbug/core for the core, which is produced by the binary at URL: ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/tmp/weirdbug/weirdbug. This is all on i386 (detailed system characteristics follow below). Now that's not all. There are several intriguing things about this core. First of all, the place where the segfault happens: in pthread_create(), of all places! To be precise, the function __pthread_create_1_2() (defined in linuxthreads/pthread.c in the glibc sources) calls thread_self() (defined in linuxthreads/internals.h), which is inlined, and which in turn calls the macro THREAD_SELF, defined in linuxthreads/sysdeps/i386/useldt.h (around line 57). It is this macro which segfaults. In fact, the libc tries to determine the thread's identity by looking up a place in memory accessed by %gs:0, where %gs is supposed to be a selector for the LDT (normally, 0x7, in fact); but here it happens that %gs was not initialized, and still refers to the "flat" memory model (GDT selector 0x2b), so the program tries to access memory page 0 and fails. So this would look like a glibc bug (under some weird circumstances, %gs is not properly initialized by INIT_THREAD_SELF before THREAD_SELF is called). Except that I've heard rumors that core files were not reliable for threaded programs. So maybe the segfault is not where I think it is. (Except that in any case it seems that %gs is wrong at the place where it is.) The second funny thing is the circumstances under which I can reproduce this bug. If I run the program directly, it doesn't segfault. I have only been able to reproduce it by launching it with the following ridiculous script: ftp://quatramaran.ens.fr/pub/madore/tmp/weirdbug/weirdbug-launcher) #! /bin/sh if echo FOO | egrep -q FOO ; then exec /tmp/weirdbug else exec /tmp/weirdbug fi (wow!). Even then, it is unpredictable. It doesn't always work, and I've only ever gotten anything on my dual-processor machine. Adding a "sleep" here or there will get rid of the bug. Of course, trying to do anything like strace or gdb will make the bug go away - therefore it's a heisenbug. Also, sometimes, instead of dumping core, it simply hangs and does nothing. So what say the wise? Is this a glibc bug in the linuxthreads implementation? A kernel bug in the TUN/TAP device with odd consequences? A kernel bug in the scheduler leading to a very rare race condition? A bug in my program? A karma problem? Detailed system characteristics: RedHat-7.1 system: glibc-2.2.2 (RPM: glibc-2.2.2-10). Kernel is stock 2.4.6 + international crypto patch (2.4.3.1), compiled for SMP, and with devfsd. Filesystem in /tmp is ReiserFS. Hardware is dual Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) at 450MHz. Compiler for kernel is stock egcs-1.1.2. Compiler for program is RedHat's 2.96-81. Program is compiled against actual kernel headers. Session log (I'm willing to bet nobody can reproduce it, anyway): vega root /tmp # /sbin/modprobe tun vega root /tmp # ls -la /dev/misc/net/tun crw-r----- 1 root root 10, 200 Jan 1 1970 /dev/misc/net/tun vega root /tmp # md5sum weirdbug.c 0cbeaa9de585868b3d5dfd55f6f50397 weirdbug.c vega root /tmp # gcc -o weirdbug weirdbug.c -O6 -lpthread vega root /tmp # gcc -v Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-81) vega root /tmp # md5sum weirdbug 7977421cf8b60a63659063d7c165c58b weirdbug vega root /tmp # cat weirdbug-launcher #! /bin/sh if echo FOO | egrep -q FOO ; then exec /tmp/weirdbug else exec /tmp/weirdbug fi vega root /tmp # md5sum weirdbug-launcher 460666262466f12d89f33900e4dc74ec weirdbug-launcher vega root /tmp # ./weirdbug vega root /tmp # ./weirdbug-launcher zsh: segmentation fault (core dumped) ./weirdbug-launcher -- David A. 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