Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261504AbVDJOjf (ORCPT ); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:39:35 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261505AbVDJOjf (ORCPT ); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:39:35 -0400 Received: from mx02.cybersurf.com ([209.197.145.105]:28307 "EHLO mx02.cybersurf.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261504AbVDJOjb (ORCPT ); Sun, 10 Apr 2005 10:39:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: connector is missing in 2.6.12-rc2-mm1] From: jamal Reply-To: hadi@cyberus.ca To: johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru Cc: Thomas Graf , Kay Sievers , Herbert Xu , jmorris@redhat.com, ijc@hellion.org.uk, guillaume.thouvenin@bull.net, greg@kroah.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, netdev In-Reply-To: <20050410161549.3abe4778@zanzibar.2ka.mipt.ru> References: <1112942924.28858.234.camel@uganda> <20050410143205.18bff80d@zanzibar.2ka.mipt.ru> <1113131325.6994.66.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20050410153757.104fe611@zanzibar.2ka.mipt.ru> <20050410121005.GF26731@postel.suug.ch> <20050410161549.3abe4778@zanzibar.2ka.mipt.ru> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: jamalopolous Message-Id: <1113143959.1089.316.camel@jzny.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 10 Apr 2005 10:39:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1511 Lines: 34 Evgeniy, Please crosspost on netdev - you should know that by now;-> I actually disagreee with Herbert on this. Theres definetely good need to have a more usable messaging system that rides on top of netlink. It is not that netlink cant be extended (I actually think thats a separate topic) - its just that its usability curve is too high. Thats what the original motivation for konnector was. To make it easy for joe dumbass. And i think if konnector sticks to just doing that it will end up being valuable. I do think (and ive said this before) that Evgeniy is pushing it by going beyond this simple agenda/focus. Unfortunately, I actually dont think he is listening _at all_ on this specific issue. Evgeniy, just stick to the original focus and if it is accepted and understood then lets move on to adding new features. Otherwise the result of you adding yet one more feature for CBUS or whatever is clearly to question what the original motivation was. And i dont think you are able to add any other points to justify the existence of any new konnector feature other than describe the original goals. At least thats what i saw reading this thread. Otherwise if you really dont know what you want yet lets just pull this whole thing out IMO. cheers, jamal - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/