Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261159AbVDRVml (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:42:41 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261160AbVDRVml (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:42:41 -0400 Received: from abraham.CS.Berkeley.EDU ([128.32.37.170]:50190 "EHLO abraham.cs.berkeley.edu") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261159AbVDRVmj (ORCPT ); Mon, 18 Apr 2005 17:42:39 -0400 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Path: not-for-mail From: daw@taverner.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner) Newsgroups: isaac.lists.linux-kernel Subject: Re: Fortuna Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Distribution: isaac Message-ID: References: <20050414141538.3651.qmail@science.horizon.com> <20050418191316.GL21897@waste.org> Reply-To: daw-usenet@taverner.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner) NNTP-Posting-Host: taverner.cs.berkeley.edu X-Trace: abraham.cs.berkeley.edu 1113860437 27642 128.32.168.222 (18 Apr 2005 21:40:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:40:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: daw@taverner.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1268 Lines: 21 Matt Mackall wrote: >On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 01:08:47AM +0000, David Wagner wrote: >> http://eprint.iacr.org/2005/029 > >Unfortunately, this paper's analysis of /dev/random is so shallow that >they don't even know what hash it's using. Almost all of section 5.3 >is wrong (and was when I read it initially). Yes, that is a minor glitch, but I believe all their points remain valid nonetheless. My advice is to apply the appropriate s/MD5/SHA1/g substitution, and re-read the paper to see what you can get out of it. The problem is not that the paper is shallow; it is not. The source of the error is likely that this paper was written by theorists, not implementors. There are important things we can learn from them, and I think it is worth reading their paper carefully to understand what they have to offer. I believe they raise substantial and deep questions in their Section 5.3. I don't see why you say Section 5.3 is all wrong. Can you elaborate? Can you explain one or two of the substantial errors you see? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/