Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261522AbVE3M42 (ORCPT ); Mon, 30 May 2005 08:56:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261530AbVE3M42 (ORCPT ); Mon, 30 May 2005 08:56:28 -0400 Received: from smtp.lnxw.com ([207.21.185.24]:55815 "EHLO smtp.lnxw.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261522AbVE3M4Z (ORCPT ); Mon, 30 May 2005 08:56:25 -0400 Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 06:01:09 -0700 To: Zwane Mwaikambo Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, Lee Revell , Bill Huey , Nick Piggin , Andi Kleen , Sven-Thorsten Dietrich , Ingo Molnar , dwalker@mvista.com, hch@infradead.org, akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: RT patch acceptance Message-ID: <20050530130109.GA8565@nietzsche.lynx.com> References: <20050527233645.GA2283@nietzsche.lynx.com> <4297EB57.5090902@yahoo.com.au> <20050528054503.GA2958@nietzsche.lynx.com> <1117334933.11397.21.camel@mindpipe> <200505290408.j4T487n6024489@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <200505291750.j4THoUWW010374@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Bill Huey (hui) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2111 Lines: 43 On Sun, May 29, 2005 at 01:52:45PM -0600, Zwane Mwaikambo wrote: > On Sun, 29 May 2005 Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > but the 40,000 people who buy 4/8 channel mixers aren't" - by your standards, > > nobody's interested in 48-channel mixing boards either. > > I seem to have gotten you rather excited, you've actually gone as far as > creating a strawman argument for my allegedly "strawman" statement. What > i originally stated was that media applications are not common place as far > as _hard_ realtime systems are concerned, this was in reply to Bill's > emphasis on media applications. Now i'm not trying to undermine the Zwane, They are common to folks wanting to playing back any kind of video image with reasonable quality. What's happened is that sloppy apps are using slopping OSes to create one big glitchfest that consumers are use to. Coming from an old SGI background I know how idiotic this is. Yes, RTOSes aren't used for media applications, not because its exotic, but because most folks that are Microsoft influence, includes Linux, can't write decent media apps even if IRIX and the sources for the apps are handle to them. > audiophiles' goals or aspirations and i do indeed see the benefits for > them but in the event of Linux becoming an RTOS, the main fields > of interest wouldn't be from media application providers (even if there > certainly will be an increase in their interest). This would changes it. RTOS companies are typically are driven by defense contracts and the like which is a culture that encourages consumer technologies like this to be developed. If you give apps folks the necessary tools, combine that with the knowledge, then this would be much more prevalent as a base level of performance for these apps. If anything media apps have been sucky for the very reason Valdis previously described. bill - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/