Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:55:10 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:55:00 -0400 Received: from sdsl-208-184-147-195.dsl.sjc.megapath.net ([208.184.147.195]:47702 "EHLO bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:54:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:54:52 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Linus Torvalds Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: ext3-2.4-0.9.4 Message-ID: <20010726095452.L27780@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20010726174844.W17244@emma1.emma.line.org> <9jpftj$356$1@penguin.transmeta.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <9jpftj$356$1@penguin.transmeta.com>; from torvalds@transmeta.com on Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:18:59PM +0000 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-kernel-outgoing On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 04:18:59PM +0000, Linus Torvalds wrote: > In article , > Alan Cox wrote: > >> Go tell your opinion to those people that refuse to wrap their > >> rename/link calls with open()/fsync() calls to the respective parents, > >> particularly Daniel J. Bernstein, Wietse Z. Venema, among others. I > >> don't possibly know all MTAs. > > > >I've pointed things out to Mr Bernstein before. His normal replies are not > >helpful and generally vary between random ravings and threatening to sue > >people who publish things on web pages he disagrees with. > > Now, now, Alan. He has strong opinions, I'll agree, but I've never see > him threaten to _sue_. In the for what it is worth department, I spent the day with Daniel after the kernel summit meeting a while back, we talked file systems for about 6 or 7 hours. While I'll plead guilty to getting mad at him (his ego is up there with mine :-), I came away impressed with his knowledge. I get the feeling that he thinks deeply about the problems he works on, he's probably right a lot of the time, *and* as with many deep thinkers, he has a problem communicating his ideas. This is a common problem, and I'm not sure Daniel is fully aware of it. One cannot expect other people to have done the same thinking and have the same context, and when they do not, it is easy to get frustrated. I think that some of Daniel's "ravings" are probably just frustration that the other person "doesn't get it". That doesn't mean that Daniel is the right hand of God or anything, I've seen him do some stupid things but I've seen all of us do some stupid things, so that doesn't mean much. I think Daniel does way more smart things than stupid things, and not all of us can claim that (sort of like half of the drivers are below average, noone likes that idea either). What I'm trying to say is that I think Daniel is one of the good guys, even though his user interface could stand improvement (a common thing amongst smart people) and it looks like it would be smart to figure out how to work with him. Just my opinion... -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/