Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:25:37 +0100
From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Linux Kernel List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
       Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Dave Miller <davem@redhat.com>,
       Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Serial maintainership
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On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 05:38:43PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Iau, 2005-09-08 at 16:52 +0100, Russell King wrote:
> > I notice DaveM's taken over serial maintainership.  Please arrange for
> > serial patches to be sent to davem in future, thanks.  (All ARM serial
> > drivers are broken as of Tuesday.)
> > 
> > I might take a different view if I at least had a curtious CC: of the
> > patch, which I had already asked akpm to reject.
> > 
> > Thanks.  That's another subsystem I don't have to care about anymore.
> 
> Please remember to send Linus a patch updating MAINTAINERS if so.

Well, it appears that we're fast approaching meltdown in kernel
land - patches are being applied despite maintainers objection,
maintainers are not being copied with changes in their area, etc.

I might mind less with the occasional slip up if it was occasional,
but it doesn't appear to be anymore - maybe not from my perspective.

This morning Andi Kleen stated:

 "normally he (akpm) asks you before finally sending them off -
  then you can complain again"

I don't appear to be asked by akpm - patches from -mm are sent
to Linus CC'd me, and that occurs during the night.  Come the
morning, they're in Linus tree so unless one is awake reading
email 24 hours a day, it's impossible to "complain again".

Is there a concerted effort to maintainers?  It certainly seems
so from my perspective.

---
Paranoia, n.
   1. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution
      with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent
      logic and reason.
   2. Extreme, irrational distrust of others.

-- 
Russell King
 Linux kernel    2.6 ARM Linux   - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
 maintainer of:  2.6 Serial core
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