Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:00:58 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:00:48 -0400 Received: from garrincha.netbank.com.br ([200.203.199.88]:32779 "HELO netbank.com.br") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:00:31 -0400 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:00:34 -0300 (BRST) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: To: Matthias Andree Cc: Lawrence Greenfield , Subject: Re: ext3-2.4-0.9.4 In-Reply-To: <20010729020812.D9350@emma1.emma.line.org> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Original-Recipient: rfc822;linux-kernel-outgoing On Sun, 29 Jul 2001, Matthias Andree wrote: > On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Rik van Riel wrote: > > > > The standard is only useful if it specifies how to get data safely on > > > disk - it is quite explicit for fsync(), but you evidently cannot > > > fsync() a link(). > > > > As Linus said, fsync() on the directory. > > Relying on that to work on other operating systems is no better than > demanding synchronous meta data writes: relying on undocumented > behaviour. > > If we spake about Linux-specific applications, that'd be okay, but we > speak about portable applications, and the diversity is bigger than > useful. Speed is not the only problem the OS has to solve. I guess many MTAs have a small libc inside of them exactly in order to handle things like this without fouling up the core code too much. Time to make your favorite MTA use link_slowly() ;) cheers, Rik -- Virtual memory is like a game you can't win; However, without VM there's truly nothing to lose... http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ Send all your spam to aardvark@nl.linux.org (spam digging piggy) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/