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Eric W. Biederman wrote:

>But the definition of a maintainer is whoever takes responsibility for
>part X.  The are many pieces of the kernel that don't easily break
>up into the taxonomy of subsystem and driver.  There are many people
>to reluctantly take responsibility because there is no one else,
>and so aren't even mentioned in MAINTAINERS much less the rest of it.
>
>  
>

Setting up an account for a mailing list and linking unmaintained parts
to it would be a solution to that. Either set up a specific list for
this or use when of the current ones (like LKML). The big problem I see
at the moment is that not all parts of the kernel are represented in the
bugzilla.

>One problem I have with a system like bugzilla is that frequently bug
>reports are not complete, and bugzilla sets the expectation that
>once you file a bug the reporters part is complete.  Frequently it takes
>several round trips via email to even understand the bug that is being
>reported. 
>  
>

I agree that most bug reports are incomplete. But I still think that a
bugzilla is the way to go. We need to educate the users in filing bug
reports no matter which forum is used. Russell's point about having a
wizard would probably help a lot. A bugzilla also gives the option of
marking bugs with NEEDINFO, INVALID and similar, clearly expressing to
the user how the maintainer sees this bug.

>So either we need a two level bug tracking system where there
>is a place to capture bugs that users see, and a place to track
>bugs that developers understand.  Or we need something that is
>much more interactive than bugzilla.
>
>  
>

I think that the categories NEW/ASSIGNED/CONFIRMED suffices. Although
discussions on mailing lists are more natural for the people here I
don't agree that bugzilla is less interactive than lists.

Rgds
Pierre

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