Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751407AbVI1QgQ (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:36:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751409AbVI1QgP (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:36:15 -0400 Received: from magic.adaptec.com ([216.52.22.17]:56513 "EHLO magic.adaptec.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751407AbVI1QgO (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:36:14 -0400 Message-ID: <433AC66E.3050502@adaptec.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:35:58 -0400 From: Luben Tuikov User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu CC: ltuikov@yahoo.com, Andre Hedrick , Jeff Garzik , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , Linus Torvalds , SCSI Mailing List Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel References: <20050928113703.65626.qmail@web31806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <200509281630.j8SGULJi022471@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> In-Reply-To: <200509281630.j8SGULJi022471@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2005 16:36:07.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[B9C90470:01C5C44A] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1551 Lines: 42 On 09/28/05 12:30, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:37:03 PDT, Luben Tuikov said: > > >>When it comes down to it SCSI Core is 20 years behind and thus Linux Storage >>is 20 years behind. > > > Hmm.. 20 years ago I was hooking Fujitsu Super-Eagles to Sun3/280 servers. > If you're going to claim that the current SCSI core is *that* far behind, you're > going to have to back it up. Remember that making exaggerated claims is a good > way to make people not listen to the *rest* of your message. > > Seen in include/scsi/scsi.h: > > /* > * FIXME: bit0 is listed as reserved in SCSI-2, but is > * significant in SCSI-3. For now, we follow the SCSI-2 > * behaviour and ignore reserved bits. > */ > > So obviously, it's at least the number of years since SCSI-3 was defined, > but no more than the time since SCSI-2. According to http://home.comcast.net/~SCSIguy/SCSI_FAQ/scsifaq.html > SCSI-2 devices started showing up in 1988, and X3.131-1994 came out in 1994. > 1996 saw the first SCSI-3 proposals. > > I'll give you *one* decade, but not two. :) Ok, I'll take that. BTW, I was referring to the _architecture_ of SCSI Core. It hasn't seen any _innovation_ for the last 5 years as far as SCSI or Storage is concerned. Luben - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/