Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932270AbVI2RLs (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:11:48 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932267AbVI2RLs (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:11:48 -0400 Received: from mail.dvmed.net ([216.237.124.58]:56300 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932266AbVI2RLr (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <433C204C.7010602@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:11:40 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luben Tuikov CC: Arjan van de Ven , Willy Tarreau , SCSI Mailing List , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel References: <43384E28.8030207@adaptec.com> <4339BFE9.1060604@pobox.com> <4339CCD6.5010409@adaptec.com> <4339F9A8.2030709@pobox.com> <433AFEB2.7090003@adaptec.com> <433B0457.7020509@pobox.com> <433B14E1.6080201@adaptec.com> <433B217F.4060509@pobox.com> <20050929040403.GE18716@alpha.home.local> <1127979848.2918.7.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <433C0398.4040302@adaptec.com> <433C0641.3030101@pobox.com> <433C1CA1.3080007@adaptec.com> In-Reply-To: <433C1CA1.3080007@adaptec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1549 Lines: 50 Luben Tuikov wrote: > On 09/29/05 11:20, Jeff Garzik wrote: > >>>Arjan, I'll be your best friend here: >>>Never say this in public or in an intervew. >> >> >>It's hard-earned experience. We constantly have to teach hardware >>vendors how to write good drivers. > > > I'm sure you have. Hardware vendors are lost without > Jeff, James Bottomley and Christoph. > > You see, it is because of your _enormous_ ego as shown > above, that the code is being blocked. No, I was referring to things such as, e.g. http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/olspaper.pdf http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/OLS.pdf It has nothing to do with ego, just hard-won experience. There are bunches of hardware vendors who have their patches merged immediately after posting. They get it. They have internalized the reasons why Linux drivers look the way they do. >>As a tangent, I already have a design for a Linux filesystem that makes >>use of SCSI object-based storage (to James's horror, no doubt :)). It's >>a fun thing to ponder. > > > Ok, so the way I see it you want to show who has got > the bigger balls? > > Jeff, I have *worked* on a Linux OBD-based filesystem. > > Are you going to stop this self-gratifying stuff? Oh good grief. It was an example, silly. Trying to lighten the mood, even. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/