Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030471AbVI3WOQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:14:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030468AbVI3WOQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:14:16 -0400 Received: from magic.adaptec.com ([216.52.22.17]:56795 "EHLO magic.adaptec.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932293AbVI3WOP (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:14:15 -0400 Message-ID: <433DB8AF.4090207@adaptec.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:14:07 -0400 From: Luben Tuikov User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kyle Moffett CC: Andre Hedrick , "David S. Miller" , jgarzik@pobox.com, willy@w.ods.org, patmans@us.ibm.com, ltuikov@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, James Bottomley Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel References: <433D8542.1010601@adaptec.com> <433D8D1F.1030005@adaptec.com> <0F03AA4B-D2D1-4C57-B81B-FC95CB863A98@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <0F03AA4B-D2D1-4C57-B81B-FC95CB863A98@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2005 22:14:07.0966 (UTC) FILETIME=[46CCC7E0:01C5C60C] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1642 Lines: 42 On 09/30/05 17:31, Kyle Moffett wrote: > Jeff Garzik et. al. seem to think that they are necessary, and I I've been contending this since before Jeff started work on libata. But none of the ideas: 64 bit LUN, HCIL removal, etc., were accepted with "submit a patch". > So you're saying fixing the current SCSI subsystem once *now* costs > more than applying all *future* SCSI fixes to _two_ SCSI subsystems, > handling bug reports for _two_ SCSI subsystems, etc. I'm saying that the current "old" one is already obsolete, when all you have is a SAS chip on your mainboard. All you need is a small, tiny, fast, slim SCSI Core. >>>s/Politics.*//g; I hate politics. Keep it off this list. >> >>Me too, but we are idealists. Politics is an integral part of life. > > > Politics are not an integral part of productive technical > discussions, though. If you discuss technical topics and provide > realistic technical descriptions, examples, reasons, code, etc, then > politics tends not to matter in the discussion, and we're all happier > people. Yes, please re-read this thread, and open and read all the references I've included to SAM, SPC, SAS and SAT of T10.org. Politics: "Nah, whatever you say, specs are *crap* and we'll do it our way. We are not interested in your way, even if it were better. Oh, and BTW, REQUEST SENSE clears ACA and LUN is a u64." See? Luben - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/