Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030486AbVI3WcU (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:32:20 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030485AbVI3WcU (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:32:20 -0400 Received: from magic.adaptec.com ([216.52.22.17]:39391 "EHLO magic.adaptec.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030483AbVI3WcT (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: <433DBCF1.9030804@adaptec.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:32:17 -0400 From: Luben Tuikov User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Hedrick CC: "David S. Miller" , jgarzik@pobox.com, willy@w.ods.org, patmans@us.ibm.com, ltuikov@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, James Bottomley Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2005 22:32:17.0275 (UTC) FILETIME=[D01424B0:01C5C60E] Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1758 Lines: 44 On 09/30/05 18:04, Andre Hedrick wrote: > > No true, many of us could careless about credit list. I wasn't talking about you. They know who they are. > Sometimes teaching others is a better way to bring them around to your > view point while learning about their goals. Since everyone/most agree > your T10 knowledge is strong, others have pointed out you are savy enough > to work around problems over fixing them in general. Blah blah ... Thank you Andre. > Just show everyone why it can not work the "Linux Way" and defend the > points logically. Should the defense of it not be possible, then the > point is lost. I think I have. All the references to T10, all the pictures to the email you replied to which you deleted, all the words. > SPECs become crap when organizations like STA with T10 make joining and > voting on the technology under NCITS $10,000.00 annual membership. This > is old boys club rules, otherwise I would have joined and terrorized T10 > like I did to T13. Exclusion breeds distrust. Well, the T10.org reflector is open to everyone. Of course voting-membership is expensive. And it should be so. They don't want every "Joe" (no offence to Joe or to LKML or LSML participants) to participate. If you are a voting member then you really have a reason, you really know what you're talking about and voting for and you really are serious. It means that you or your company care. It also becoms quickly enough obvious if you know your stuff after a meeting or two. Luben - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/