Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750710AbVJAAdo (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:33:44 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750706AbVJAAdo (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:33:44 -0400 Received: from mail.dvmed.net ([216.237.124.58]:22409 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750704AbVJAAdm (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: <433DD95C.5050209@pobox.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:33:32 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050720) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luben Tuikov CC: Kyle Moffett , Andre Hedrick , "David S. Miller" , willy@w.ods.org, patmans@us.ibm.com, ltuikov@yahoo.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, James Bottomley Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel References: <433D8542.1010601@adaptec.com> <433D8D1F.1030005@adaptec.com> <0F03AA4B-D2D1-4C57-B81B-FC95CB863A98@mac.com> <433DB8AF.4090207@adaptec.com> In-Reply-To: <433DB8AF.4090207@adaptec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1565 Lines: 48 Luben Tuikov wrote: > But none of the ideas: 64 bit LUN, HCIL removal, etc., > were accepted with "submit a patch". I concede this may have been the response in the past. Its not, now. >>So you're saying fixing the current SCSI subsystem once *now* costs >>more than applying all *future* SCSI fixes to _two_ SCSI subsystems, >>handling bug reports for _two_ SCSI subsystems, etc. > > > I'm saying that the current "old" one is already obsolete, > when all you have is a SAS chip on your mainboard. > > All you need is a small, tiny, fast, slim SCSI Core. Then don't use it at all. Write a block driver, if you really feel we need two SCSI cores. > Politics: "Nah, whatever you say, specs are *crap* and we'll > do it our way. We are not interested in your way, even if it > were better. Oh, and BTW, REQUEST SENSE clears ACA and LUN > is a u64." This is a misrepresentation. -We- understand the stuff you have posted. But you continue to demonstrate that you simply do not understand the existing SCSI core code. The SAS transport class supports commonality across all SAS implementations. This includes both MPT and Adaptec 94xx. SAS transport class + libsas supports software implementations of SAS, including transport layer management. This includes Adaptec 94xx but NOT MPT. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/