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Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:49:03 -0700
From: Marc Perkel <marc@perkel.com>
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To: "D. Hazelton" <dhazelton@enter.net>
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Subject: Re: what's next for the linux kernel?
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D. Hazelton wrote:

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>>Novell Netware type permissions. ACLs are a step in the right
>>direction but Linux isn't any where near where Novell was back in
>>1990. Linux lets you - for example - to delete files that you have
>>no read or write access rights to. 
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>As someone else pointed out, this is because unlinking is related to 
>your access permissions on the parent directory and not the file.
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Right - that's Unix "inside the box" thinking. The idea is to make the 
operating system smarter so that the user doesn't have to deal with 
what's computer friendly - but reather what makes sense to the user. 
 From a user's perspective if you have not rights to access a file then 
why should you be allowed to delete it?

Now - the idea is to create choice. If you need to emulate Unix nehavior 
for compatibility that's fine. But I would migrate away from that into a 
permissions paradygme that worked like Netware.

I started with Netware and I'm spoiled. They had it right 15 years ago 
and Linux isn't any where near what I was with Netware and DOS in 1990. 
Once you've had this kind of permission power Linux is a real big step down.

So - the thread is about the future so I say - time to fix Unix.


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