Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030366AbVJEUWE (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:22:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030368AbVJEUWD (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:22:03 -0400 Received: from turing-police.cc.vt.edu ([128.173.14.107]:45034 "EHLO turing-police.cc.vt.edu") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030366AbVJEUWC (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:22:02 -0400 Message-Id: <200510052021.j95KLegA024532@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.1-RC3 To: Marc Perkel Cc: Florin Malita , lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca, nix@esperi.org.uk, 7eggert@gmx.de, lkcl@lkcl.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: what's next for the linux kernel? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:44:25 PDT." <43442D19.4050005@perkel.com> From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu References: <4TiWy-4HQ-3@gated-at.bofh.it> <4U0XH-3Gp-39@gated-at.bofh.it> <87k6gsjalu.fsf@amaterasu.srvr.nix> <4343E611.1000901@perkel.com> <20051005144441.GC8011@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <4343E7AC.6000607@perkel.com> <20051005153727.994c4709.fmalita@gmail.com> <43442D19.4050005@perkel.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1128543700_3015P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 16:21:40 -0400 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1725 Lines: 42 --==_Exmh_1128543700_3015P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:44:25 PDT, Marc Perkel said: > What you don't get is that if you don't have rights to write to a file > then you shouldn't have the right to delete the file. Once you get past > the "inside the box" Unix thinking you'll see the logic in this. So what > if the process of deleting a file involves writing to it. That's not > relevant. Oddly enough, killfiles are *also* based on the concept of removing something without the need or ability to look at the contents.... *plonk* (Real-world analogy - if you've *ever* thrown away a box of anything without opening the box, you understand that you don't need to be able to modify the box to discard it. The space enclosed by your domicile is basically read/write, the box can be read-only and still end up in the dumpster. On the other hand, discarding the back staircase is a lot harder, as the frame of the house is basically read-only, and you need to make it read-write in order to remove the attachment points of the staircase. Any Joe Sixpack carpenter understands this to be entirely intuitive...) --==_Exmh_1128543700_3015P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQFDRDXUcC3lWbTT17ARAq9EAKDoUqviXtn1PBgTnFO6EfMdx6hsRACfT/0F TcYHIhGHxxlRBx/dwqlW2QE= =8396 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1128543700_3015P-- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/