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Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:13:18 -0400
From: Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>
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On 10/21/05 14:54, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>Thank you for spreading FUD -- I'm sure you've impressed your managament,
>>how great of a Linux programmer you are and how I don't know anything.
>>I'd suggest you keep pushing the politics _behind_ the scences.
> 
> I'm trying to tell it like it is, in the hopes that you will eventually 
> learn the process, and be a good upstream maintainer we can all work with.

You're again spreading FUD and playing this political game hoping
your management is reading this and merely because of this they'll award you.
I cannot blame you -- how many of them read C code or specs...  I mean, even
"the community" has said "no" to specs.  All you're doing is just playing
your political game, spreading FUD.

And what "process" are you talking about?  Do you have any idea the
_amazement_ people get when learing that Linux is going to implement
showing all phys on the domain in sysfs...?  Do you have any idea
the effort in keeping customers happy when the whims of "the community"
change on an a hourly basis (as the community is learning)?  Shall I give
examples?

As to your reply above:
Jeff, not so according to people I work with on a daily basis from all
over the world.

When you said in your email:

On Oct 21, 2005, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox> wrote:
>
> We have plenty of specs.  It's called source code.

That pretty much seals it.

Have a nice day,
	Luben
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