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Message-ID: <20051022173044.5903.qmail@web31808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:30:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Luben Tuikov <ltuikov@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: ltuikov@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: ioctls, etc. (was Re: [PATCH 1/4] sas: add flag for locally attached PHYs)
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
       Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
Cc: linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
       Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
       Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>, andrew.patterson@hp.com,
       Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
       "Moore, Eric Dean" <Eric.Moore@lsil.com>, jejb@steeleye.com,
       Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
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--- Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2005 at 12:42:27PM +0200, Stefan Richter wrote:
> > A. Post mock-ups and pseudo code about how to change the core, discuss.
> > B. Set up a scsi-cleanup tree. In this tree,
> >      1. renovate the core (thereby break all command set drivers and
> >         all transport subsystems),
> 
> No way.  Doing things from scatch is a really bad idea.  See how far we came
> with Linux 2.6 scsi vs 2.4 scsi without throwing everything away and break
> the
> world.  Please submit changes to fix _one_ thing at a time and fix all users.
> Repeat until done or you don't care anymore.

No offence Christoph, but who are you again?

There is a clear reason why you among others do not want new architecture.
And that reason is (people) obsoletion.

Such political stance cannot go on forever -- just look at History.
Sooner or later things change and they change radically.  The question
is How prepared are you/we to cope with this (inevitable) change?

Either way, obsoletion or adoption -- think about it, it doesn't only apply
to computer and OS design, it applies to everything.

    Luben


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