Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932383AbVJ3W4W (ORCPT ); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:56:22 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932384AbVJ3W4V (ORCPT ); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:56:21 -0500 Received: from smtp.osdl.org ([65.172.181.4]:17610 "EHLO smtp.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932383AbVJ3W4V (ORCPT ); Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:56:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:55:33 -0800 From: Andrew Morton To: Russell King Cc: ak@suse.de, torvalds@osdl.org, tony.luck@gmail.com, paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: New (now current development process) Message-Id: <20051030145533.5733b12d.akpm@osdl.org> In-Reply-To: <20051030224524.GG2846@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> References: <4d8e3fd30510291026x611aa715pc1a153e706e70bc2@mail.gmail.com> <12c511ca0510291157u5557b6b1x85a47311f0e16436@mail.gmail.com> <20051029195115.GD14039@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20051029223723.GJ14039@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20051030111241.74c5b1a6.akpm@osdl.org> <20051030214309.GE2846@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> <20051030143103.17f2835c.akpm@osdl.org> <20051030224524.GG2846@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 842 Lines: 19 Russell King wrote: > > That's fine if you have the hardware to be able to debug these issues. Most driver bugs cannot be reproduced by the developer. Almost by definition: if the patch had caused problems on the developer's machine, he wouldn't have shipped it. This is why we have this wonderful group of long-suffering people who download and test development kernels for us, and who take the time to report defects. Yes, it's painful to get into a long-range debugging session, sending debug patches, twelve-hour turnaround, etc. But what alternative have we? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/