Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:10:53 -0800
From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk, torvalds@osdl.org, tony.luck@gmail.com,
       paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New (now current development process)
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Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> wrote:
>
> On Sunday 30 October 2005 20:12, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > The freezes are for fixing bugs, especially recent regressions.  There's no
> > shortage of them, you know.
> >
> > I you can think of a better way to get kernel developers off their butts
> > and actually fixing bugs, I'm all ears.
> 
> The problem is that you usually cannot do proper bug fixing because
> the release might be just around the corner, so you typically
> chose the ugly workaround or revert, or just reject changes for bugs that a 
> are too risky or the impact too low because there is not enough time to 
> properly test anymore.

There is absolutely nothing preventing people from working on bugs at any
time!  It's not as if a bugfix can ever come too early.

> It might work better if we were told when the releases would actually
> happen and you don't need to fear that this not quite tested everywhere
> bugfix you're about to submit might make it into the gold kernel, breaking
> the world for some subset of users.

Nobody knows when a kernel will be released, because it's released
according to perceived bug status, not according to a preconceived
timeline.

I just don't buy what you're saying.  Unless the kernel is at -rc3 or -rc4,
we *know* the release is weeks away - it's always been thus.
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