Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932128AbVKFQuw (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:50:52 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932134AbVKFQuw (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:50:52 -0500 Received: from web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.163.178.118]:39540 "HELO web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S932128AbVKFQuv (ORCPT ); Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:50:51 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pQRiXJLiKfaPCCQ/kwYk3Houk2+Cie/sVVcmbu5El2rhkD9v3ZmsiLbUOGLYQNC2G4miQoLqgMS/m5bCeSyz/JmTlD3kJtlerbkoE96ceUAyNLXC+j1lxxAOdjFfIk7DxFMlSO7siL82od79XifBfEvPTtCjmyeaNWpLkxmGbHQ= ; Message-ID: <20051106165048.44786.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:50:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Carlson Subject: Re: New Linux Development Model To: jerome lacoste , Edgar Hucek Cc: Jean Delvare , LKML In-Reply-To: <5a2cf1f60511060252t55e1a058o528700ea69826965@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2395 Lines: 87 --- jerome lacoste wrote: > On 11/5/05, Edgar Hucek > wrote: > > Hi. > > > > Sorry for not posting my Name. > > > > Maybe you don't understand what i wanted to say or > it's my bad english. > > The ipw2200 driver was only an example. I had also > problems with, vmware, > > unionfs... > > What i mean ist, that kernel developers make > incompatible changes to the > > header > > files, change structures, interfaces and so on. > Which makes the kernel > > releases > > incompatible. > > I will ask you just one question: as a user, why did > you want to > upgrade your kernel? > > On a server you want stability. So you don't > upgrade. On a desktop, > there are probably a bunch of out of kernel modules > that will need > upgrading with each new kernel modules. Just on the > laptop I am using > right now, I will have to upgrade the vmware bridge, > nvidia driver, > madwifi wireless driver, etc. And that's normal. The > new development > model didn't change that. > > I avoid touching my kernel on boxes I do real work > with. I do build a > new kernel for test purposes and to give feedback if > there's an issue. > But most of the time I skip 2-3 versions before > finding a very > compelling reason to upgrade. And I stick with my > distribution kernel > as much as I can. > > As for kernel/drivers developers, it's another > story. > > If it ain't broken, don't fix it. > > Jerome > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line > "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at > http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > Another method, the one I use, is to keep a small drive with a minimum system on it to test/update the kernel. After updating the kernel and any modules required on the test driver, its then a simple matter to move them, if there are no problems, to my working system. Jack John Carlson __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/