Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:02:57 -0800
From: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
To: linas <linas@austin.ibm.com>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>, linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org,
       johnrose@austin.ibm.com, linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
       bluesmoke-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: typedefs and structs [was Re: [PATCH 16/42]: PCI:  PCI Error reporting callbacks]
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On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 01:36:00PM -0600, linas wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 07, 2005 at 11:02:45AM -0800, Greg KH was heard to remark:
> > 
> > > I'm not to clear on what "sparse" can do; however, in the good old days,
> > > gcc allowed you to commit great sins when passing "struct blah *" to 
> > > subroutines, whereas it stoped you cold if you tried the same trick 
> > > with a typedef'ed "blah_t *".  This got me into the habit of turning
> > > all structs into typedefs in my personal projects.  Can we expect
> > > something similar for the kernel, and in particular, should we start
> > > typedefing structs now?
> > 
> > No, never typedef a struct.  That's just wrong.  
> 
> Its a defacto convention for most C-language apps, see, for 
> example Xlib, gtk and gnome.

The kernel is not those projects.

> Also, "grep typedef include/linux/*" shows that many kernel device
> drivers use this convention.

They are wrong and should be fixed.

See my old OLS paper on all about the problems of using typedefs in
kernel code.

> > gcc should warn you
> > just the same if you pass the wrong struct pointer 
> 
> There were many cases where it did not warn (I don't remember 
> the case of subr calls). I beleive this had to do with ANSI-C spec
> issues dating to the 1990's; traditional C is weakly typed.
> 
> Its not just gcc; anyoe who coded for a while eventually discovered
> that tyedefs where strongly typed, but "struct blah *" were not.

Sorry, but you are using a broken compiler if it doesn't complain about
this.

thanks,

greg k-h
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