Received: by 2002:a25:ab43:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id u61csp4974320ybi; Tue, 28 May 2019 05:41:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwlqvo6uetaWZKqMdMUTjW1cErq3cNpF8vGtV11caHQEr6lq/2Ex94iWXobfQZ6zdA5BROm X-Received: by 2002:a63:4813:: with SMTP id v19mr1316237pga.406.1559047299456; Tue, 28 May 2019 05:41:39 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1559047299; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=Jp32tfk8BGM2cBDdZvYmkg43fIneCiPaqMxzFll9U7OiV2Q6zjIdE6ZlIGEV+jRUPa 1kYLpJxomz0/BeML2btAnm1x8uRVLKGs3n9Z015W6eZqRxEOyF2oGpggTdB7VZS0h4JT CF0vm6cgVPPp0mSQstwFFnntMahvpF2fC+pNgM3jfUMs9szyO/Ox2segSoccZbXMwyRO e6LrFCAbyeb8EYCKkuCwkogOQkpe2viLhASFhezrrPLAQHFZGayd2rIdpzBORZ5v+lrs Yk8mZcRlW72R01Qkro06hhZYqrE0zRyNFNIxvQRUD4rh2Njfp+yAT2CJuq5hpRcJXznK Uh5Q== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=j1H5hN0ECR8O/VgEtS6C5vu5GCauoDumcQmnoNuETdU=; b=tMUupqDPlwDPtAIspuIV2hHfv7t2tLSx24V9quhrbCQNr4ZUdxfaU+UFRXc/dBf3R1 f8NuemzBpd7vAVKlrctcNL5DF/mK508RGUgsJ8IgeOKuFsem1lwgaXQxZu5eufU/7Rnt SVQ6XJqtgFXeqhYe9IyXdiCr6jlLhzXUpnEjX9pB3P/G1c3TFLoNwfV/s5rh4eF3eNA/ JqoMC/gHJtaZNQ6S9iQ69lZtbDB3bPzNBjUv52sojvuRDfWnT0ySHLrXeyRMo2zqmMfC D78DHUSo/0OuMnW6dMQVSA0xqx34fToEUuYwSNdn6aRvnNACAsqAp5XfZl3X4ISR9seA Cpqw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si23268300plb.30.2019.05.28.05.41.24; Tue, 28 May 2019 05:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727383AbfE1Mig (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 28 May 2019 08:38:36 -0400 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:37230 "EHLO mx1.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726933AbfE1Mif (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 May 2019 08:38:35 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83D5AE86; Tue, 28 May 2019 12:38:33 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 14:38:32 +0200 From: Michal Hocko To: Daniel Colascione Cc: Minchan Kim , Andrew Morton , LKML , linux-mm , Johannes Weiner , Tim Murray , Joel Fernandes , Suren Baghdasaryan , Shakeel Butt , Sonny Rao , Brian Geffon , Linux API Subject: Re: [RFC 7/7] mm: madvise support MADV_ANONYMOUS_FILTER and MADV_FILE_FILTER Message-ID: <20190528123832.GD1658@dhcp22.suse.cz> References: <20190528084927.GB159710@google.com> <20190528090821.GU1658@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20190528103256.GA9199@google.com> <20190528104117.GW1658@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20190528111208.GA30365@google.com> <20190528112840.GY1658@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20190528115609.GA1658@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue 28-05-19 05:18:48, Daniel Colascione wrote: [...] > The important requirement, I think, is that we need to support > managing "memory-naive" uncooperative tasks (perhaps legacy ones > written before cross-process memory management even became possible), > and I think that the cooperative-vs-uncooperative distinction matters > a lot more than the tgid of the thread doing the memory manipulation. > (Although in our case, we really do need a separate tgid. :-)) Agreed here and that requires some sort of revalidation and failure on "object has changed" in one form or another IMHO. -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs