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Registered in England and Wales under Company Registration No. 3798903 From: David Howells In-Reply-To: <20190531111445.GO2677@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20190531111445.GO2677@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190528162603.GA24097@kroah.com> <155905930702.7587.7100265859075976147.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <155905931502.7587.11705449537368497489.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <4031.1559064620@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <20190528231218.GA28384@kroah.com> <31936.1559146000@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <16193.1559163763@warthog.procyon.org.uk> To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: dhowells@redhat.com, Jann Horn , Greg KH , Al Viro , raven@themaw.net, linux-fsdevel , Linux API , linux-block@vger.kernel.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module , kernel list , Kees Cook , Kernel Hardening Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] General notification queue with user mmap()'able ring buffer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21941.1559304135.1@warthog.procyon.org.uk> Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:02:15 +0100 Message-ID: <21942.1559304135@warthog.procyon.org.uk> X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.44]); Fri, 31 May 2019 12:02:30 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Peter Zijlstra wrote: > Can you re-iterate the exact problem? I konw we talked about this in the > past, but I seem to have misplaced those memories :/ Take this for example: void afs_put_call(struct afs_call *call) { struct afs_net *net = call->net; int n = atomic_dec_return(&call->usage); int o = atomic_read(&net->nr_outstanding_calls); trace_afs_call(call, afs_call_trace_put, n + 1, o, __builtin_return_address(0)); ASSERTCMP(n, >=, 0); if (n == 0) { ... } } I am printing the usage count in the afs_call tracepoint so that I can use it to debug refcount bugs. If I do it like this: void afs_put_call(struct afs_call *call) { int n = refcount_read(&call->usage); int o = atomic_read(&net->nr_outstanding_calls); trace_afs_call(call, afs_call_trace_put, n, o, __builtin_return_address(0)); if (refcount_dec_and_test(&call->usage)) { ... } } then there's a temporal gap between the usage count being read and the actual atomic decrement in which another CPU can alter the count. This can be exacerbated by an interrupt occurring, a softirq occurring or someone enabling the tracepoint. I can't do the tracepoint after the decrement if refcount_dec_and_test() returns false unless I save all the values from the object that I might need as the object could be destroyed any time from that point on. In this particular case, that's just call->debug_id, but it could be other things in other cases. Note that I also can't touch the afs_net object in that situation either, and the outstanding calls count that I record will potentially be out of date - but there's not a lot I can do about that. David