Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964864AbVKVCU6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:20:58 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964867AbVKVCU6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:20:58 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]:28493 "EHLO wproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964864AbVKVCU5 convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:20:57 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=m9xPTavXqqTmnPy7Zqd5wx5mKRA6vtcKvnxASbyqsL1ERnD36o5W032V0sqDwkWAcp8XI8npV2I6Es+EKVXDAsyd8mTRGmIXMVKZ1aAAFRTplRaUwXgE2DQkqH6kJWXUoH7rSFAi5sFXcnkUbDe1SN8lgy2CVO40k952czhfQVY= Message-ID: <9e4733910511211820x3539213arfe20f3939a375b51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:20:56 -0500 From: Jon Smirl To: Alan Cox Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch Cc: Dave Airlie , Benjamin Herrenschmidt , Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <1132623268.20233.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051121225303.GA19212@kroah.com> <20051121230136.GB19212@kroah.com> <1132616132.26560.62.camel@gaston> <21d7e9970511211647r4df761a2l287715368bf89eb6@mail.gmail.com> <1132623268.20233.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1351 Lines: 29 On 11/21/05, Alan Cox wrote: > On Maw, 2005-11-22 at 11:47 +1100, Dave Airlie wrote: > Nvidia are at least trying to do what they can within what for them is > not a very easy set of market conditions for open sourcing. ATI were > doing very nice things until they won the Xbox 360 contract. An > observation that perhaps would not go amiss reaching the US legal > watchdogs. How is graphics going to be dealt with on Linux? Is the Linux desktop going to stay stuck in 1998 since that is the last year the graphics vendors released specs? If the choice is "open source or die" then that's the answer. Of course that answer is bad news desktop Linux distributions and they may die. If the choice instead is to embrace current graphics hardware, then given the current state of the market, I don't see any other alternative than using the proprietary drivers and OpenGL stacks. The path in that direction is something like Xgl. We can wish for a non-proprietary choice on the current hardware, but the reality is that we are not going to get it. -- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/