Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750741AbVKVDXZ (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:23:25 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750770AbVKVDXZ (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:23:25 -0500 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]:29075 "EHLO wproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750741AbVKVDXY convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:23:24 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pqowwwxvYel2hEHN2eaCXuUtaRKzon/hDumyF9RDvPbs8uCUW0b+Z+5QU9rC6ZhxS/b9UJubJH+4EMd6MyvCS4v6iffLfZhQbpumkiFp3ZDR1alVGwtCHR+DiW90znwWPmCNX7+sTkRL3Wex5wficW9NFZiEf501NyOml3F4vdU= Message-ID: <9e4733910511211923r69cdb835pf272ac745ae24ed7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:23:21 -0500 From: Jon Smirl To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch Cc: Alan Cox , Dave Airlie , Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <1132626478.26560.104.camel@gaston> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051121225303.GA19212@kroah.com> <20051121230136.GB19212@kroah.com> <1132616132.26560.62.camel@gaston> <21d7e9970511211647r4df761a2l287715368bf89eb6@mail.gmail.com> <1132623268.20233.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1132626478.26560.104.camel@gaston> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1230 Lines: 32 On 11/21/05, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote: > which is obviously impossible) etc... They really doesn't give a shit > about what we think, and will continue to do so until they get a bit fat > lawsuit, that is my opinion at least. In the US you can't sue to force their hardware open until they are a proven monopoly. And as long as we have both Nvidia and ATI splitting the market we won't get a monopoly. So the choices are: 1) Live in 1998. What happens in five years R200's are no longer available, fallback to VGA? 2) Temporarily accept the ugly drivers. Let desktop development continue. Work hard on getting the vendors to see the light and go open source. 3) Use Linux on the server and run Mac or Windows on your desktop. The choice's aren't exclusive, you can do all three if you want. The catch is the part about advancing the Linux desktop, that can't happen without access to current and new video hardware. -- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/