Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:30:55 -0500
From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
       Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
       Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
       Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 10:07:12AM +0200, Denis Vlasenko wrote:
> Historically hackers were not too good at raising funds.
> 
> Maybe we should use stuff which we are good at? Forcedeth
> is a nice precedent. 2d and especially 3d engines
> may be significantly harder to reverse engineer,
> but people can scale rather nicely, as kernel development shows. ;)
> 
> Then write specs from gained knowledge and put it on a web page.

Yes, IMO this is the only realistic path, without cooperation from
ATI/NVIDIA.

This is why I dislike the ATI r300 rev-eng effort:  I cannot find any
"Chinese wall":  one team rev-engs the hardware and writes a doc.
Another team writes the drivers from the docs.

	Jeff


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