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Subject: RE: [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Implement SGX specific hooks in
 SELinux
Thread-Topic: [RFC PATCH v1 2/3] LSM/x86/sgx: Implement SGX specific hooks
 in SELinux
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Date:   Fri, 14 Jun 2019 00:31:07 +0000
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> From: Christopherson, Sean J
> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 4:18 PM
> 
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 04:03:24PM -0700, Xing, Cedric wrote:
> > > From: Stephen Smalley [mailto:sds@tycho.nsa.gov]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 10:02 AM
> > >
> > > > My RFC series[1] implements #1.  My understanding is that Andy
> > > > (Lutomirski) prefers #2.  Cedric's RFC series implements #3.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps the easiest way to make forward progress is to rule out
> the
> > > > options we absolutely *don't* want by focusing on the potentially
> > > > blocking issue with each option:
> > > >
> > > >    #1 - SGX UAPI funkiness
> > > >
> > > >    #2 - Auditing complexity, potential enclave lock contention
> > > >
> > > >    #3 - Pushing SGX details into LSMs and complexity of kernel
> > > > implementation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190606021145.12604-1-
> sean.j.christopherson
> > > > @intel.com
> > >
> > > Given the complexity tradeoff, what is the clear motivating example
> for
> > > why #1 isn't the obvious choice? That the enclave loader has no way
> of
> > > knowing a priori whether the enclave will require W->X or WX?  But
> > > aren't we better off requiring enclaves to be explicitly marked as
> > > needing such so that we can make a more informed decision about
> whether
> > > to load them in the first place?
> >
> > Are you asking this question at a) page granularity, b) file
> granularity or
> > c) enclave (potentially comprised of multiple executable files)
> granularity?
> >
> > #b is what we have on regular executable files and shared objects (i.e.
> > FILE__EXECMOD). We all know how to do that.
> >
> > #c is kind of new but could be done via some proxy file (e.g.
> sigstruct file)
> > hence reduced to #b.
> >
> > #a is problematic. It'd require compilers/linkers to generate such
> > information, and proper executable image file format to carry that
> > information, to be eventually picked up the loader. SELinux doesn't
> have
> > PAGE__EXECMOD I guess is because it is generally considered
> impractical.
> >
> > Option #1 however requires #a because the driver doesn't track which
> page was
> > loaded from which file, otherwise it can no longer be qualified
> "simple". Or
> > we could just implement #c, which will make all options simpler. But I
> guess
> > #b is still preferred, to be aligned with what SELinux is enforcing
> today on
> > regular memory pages.o
> 
> Option #1 doesn't require (a).  The checks will happen for every page,
> but in the RFCs I sent, the policies are still attached to files and
> processes, i.e. (b).

I was talking at the UAPI level - i.e. your ioctl requires ALLOW_* at page granularity, hence #a.