Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:56:38 -0500
From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
       Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
       Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
       Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 06:40:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 06:14:56PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>You exaggerate. Windows drivers work well enough in Windows (or so I 
> >>presume). One just has to implement the environment these drivers 
> >>expect, very carefully.
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >I exaggerate nothing -- we have real world experience with ndiswrapper
> >and similar software, which is exactly the same model you proposed, is
> >exactly the same model that has created all sorts of technical, legal,
> >and political problems.
> > 
> >
> I agree that the legal and political problems are real. I offered two 
> solutions to the technical problems.

And given real world experience with "solutions" like this, they cause
more problems than they solve.


> However the situation with video drivers is already bad, and 
> deteriorating. I had to hunt on the Internet to get my recent (FC4) 
> distro to support my low-end embedded video (via). In the future it 
> looks like even that won't work.

VIA is working with open source community.  They are small enough
(comparatively) that they need every advantage.  VIA is one of the
positive examples.


> >Dumb with a capital 'D'.
> > 
> >
> I hope you have a better solution.

Almost all of the solutions listed in this thread are better:
Chinese wall rev-eng, funding, ...

	Jeff


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