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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:37:54 -0500
From: Brian Gerst <bgerst@didntduck.org>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
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Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 06:40:20PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 06:14:56PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You exaggerate. Windows drivers work well enough in Windows (or so I 
>>>> presume). One just has to implement the environment these drivers 
>>>> expect, very carefully.
>>>>   
>>>>
>>> I exaggerate nothing -- we have real world experience with ndiswrapper
>>> and similar software, which is exactly the same model you proposed, is
>>> exactly the same model that has created all sorts of technical, legal,
>>> and political problems.
>>>
>>>
>> I agree that the legal and political problems are real. I offered two 
>> solutions to the technical problems.
> 
> And given real world experience with "solutions" like this, they cause
> more problems than they solve.
> 
> 
>> However the situation with video drivers is already bad, and 
>> deteriorating. I had to hunt on the Internet to get my recent (FC4) 
>> distro to support my low-end embedded video (via). In the future it 
>> looks like even that won't work.
> 
> VIA is working with open source community.  They are small enough
> (comparatively) that they need every advantage.  VIA is one of the
> positive examples.
> 

The biggest problem with VIA (and Intel) is that they are only available 
as integrated video on the motherboard.  I can't just walk to the store 
and pick one up off the shelf.  I have yet to see any AMD64 motherboards 
with these chipsets either.

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				Brian Gerst
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