Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751314AbVK1VIm (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:08:42 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751313AbVK1VIm (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:08:42 -0500 Received: from prgy-npn2.prodigy.com ([207.115.54.38]:34894 "EHLO oddball.prodigy.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751311AbVK1VId (ORCPT ); Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:08:33 -0500 Message-ID: <438B726D.9090405@tmr.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:11:09 -0500 From: Bill Davidsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050729 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "linux-os (Dick Johnson)" CC: Patrick McFarland , gcoady@gmail.com, Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: umount References: <200511272154.jARLsBb11446@apps.cwi.nl> <5bdc1c8b0511271742y75306962h67193b8a0191841d@mail.gmail.com> <200511272101.07771.diablod3@gmail.com> <20051128071535.GB3638@voodoo> <5bdc1c8b0511280920i424cb9e7t50399b4f12abc154@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2823 Lines: 71 linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2005, Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>On 11/27/05, Jim Crilly wrote: >> >>>On 11/27/05 09:01:07PM -0500, Patrick McFarland wrote: >>> >>>>On Sunday 27 November 2005 20:42, Mark Knecht wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 11/27/05, Grant Coady wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>It leaves me with a little distrust of linux' handling of non-locked >>>>>>removable media (as opposed to lockable media like a zipdisk or cdrom). >>>>>> >>>>>>Grant. >>>>> >>>>>Under Windows, if a 1394 drive is unplugged without unmounting, it you >>>>>get a pop up dialog on screen telling you that data may be lost, etc. >>>>>while under any of the main environments I've tried under Linux >>>>>(Gnome, KDE, fluxbox) there are no such messages to the user. I have >>>>>not investigated log files very deeply, other than to say that dmesg >>>>>will show the drive going away but doesn't say it was a problem. >>>>> >>>>>I realize it's probably 100x more difficult to do this under Linux, at >>>>>least at the gui level, but I agree with your main point that my trust >>>>>factor is just a bit lower here. >>>> >>>>No, WIndows says that because it is unable to mount a partition as sync, >>>>unlike Linux. Linux Desktop Environments simply don't tell the user because >>>>no data is lost if they unplug the media. >>> >>>Both of those statements are not true. >> >>Jim, >> I'm not clear if 'both statements' included any of mine or not? :-) >> >> You discussed the event I was thinking of. I am writing to a 1394 >>drive, bus powered or not, and while the write is occuring I unplug >>the cable. Clearly the data being written is not going to finish, and >>that's expected, but the 'reduced confidence' issue is that I'm not >>told directly of the event. Granted I'll eventually discover it in >>some indrect manner, like a GUI action failing or something timing >>out. However in Windows I do appreciate the clear message that this >>has happened. >> >>Thanks, >>Mark >> > > > Doesn't your GUI show a 'console' window? I don't use the GUI, > but the last time I checked, there was a 'console' window that > showed the error messages. This was standard with Sun. > > If you can find the 'console' window in your distribution, activate > it. If it doesn't have one, contact your vendor or make one. There > needs to be some visible evidence that something is going wrong. xterm -C -- -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com) "The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the last possible moment - but no longer" -me - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/