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From: "John Stoffel" <john@stoffel.org>
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>>>>> "Kyle" == Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com> writes:

Kyle> On Dec 01, 2005, at 19:02, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 22:15 +0000, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>> Heh, in my dumb non-native speaker mind I'd expectit the other way  
>>> around, as in a timeout is expected to time out :)  and a timer is  
>>> expect to happen, as in say the timer the tells you your breakfast  
>>> egg is ready.
>> 
>> Which is perfectly the point Kyle made.

Kyle> In any case, the real important note here is that the two are
Kyle> pretty different concepts, ones that lend themselves to _very_
Kyle> different optimizations, that are currently lumped together.
Kyle> The very fact that some developers easily get them confused says
Kyle> that we need a good clean implementation of both distinct APIs
Kyle> with comparable documentation, including a bunch of good example
Kyle> usages.

I think the problem is in using the work 'time' in both.  Split that
so that they are seperate, and alot of the confusion will go away.  Do
I have a usefull suggestion?  No, I'm being fairly dumb this
morning... but just seeing all your smart guys getting confused makes
me think they rest of us would be lost too.

Hmm... how about:

	timer - gotta let me know exactly when it expires, I won't
		touch it until it does.

	reminder - I'll generally clean this up before it fires ,
		   don't care if I get reminded a bit later.

John
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