Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751259AbVLCN4J (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:56:09 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751262AbVLCN4I (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:56:08 -0500 Received: from mailout.stusta.mhn.de ([141.84.69.5]:45061 "HELO mailout.stusta.mhn.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1751259AbVLCN4I (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 08:56:08 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 14:56:08 +0100 From: Adrian Bunk To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel Message-ID: <20051203135608.GJ31395@stusta.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2792 Lines: 92 The current kernel development model is pretty good for people who always want to use or offer their costumers the maximum amount of the latest bugs^Wfeatures without having to resort on additional patches for them. Problems of the current development model from a user's point of view are: - many regressions in every new release - kernel updates often require updates for the kernel-related userspace (e.g. for udev or the pcmcia tools switch) One problem following from this is that people continue to use older kernels with known security holes because the amount of work for kernel upgrades is too high. These problems follow from the development model. The latest stable kernel series without these problems is 2.4, but 2.4 is becoming more and more obsolete and might e.g. lack driver support for some recent hardware you want to use. Since Andrew and Linus do AFAIK not plan to change the development model, what about the following for getting a stable kernel series without leaving the current development model: Kernel 2.6.16 will be the base for a stable series. After 2.6.16, there will be a 2.6.16.y series with the usual stable rules. After the release of 2.6.17, this 2.6.16.y series will be continued with more relaxed rules similar to the rules in kernel 2.4 since the release of kernel 2.6.0 (e.g. driver updates will be allowed). Q: What is the target audience for this 2.6.16 series? A: The target audience are users still using 2.4 (or who'd still use kernel 2.4 if they weren't forced to upgrade to 2.6 for some reason) who want a stable kernel series including security fixes but excluding many regressions. It might also be interesting for distributions that prefer stability over always using the latest stuff. Q: Does this proposal imply anything for the development between 2.6.15 and 2.6.16? A: In theory not. In practice, it would be a big advantage if some of the bigger changes that might go into 2.6.16 would be postponed to 2.6.17. Q: Why not start with the more relaxed rules before the release of 2.6.17? A: After 2.6.16.y following the usual stable rules, the kernel should be relatively stable and well-tested giving the best possible basis for a long-living series. Q: How long should this 2.6.16 series be maintained? A: Time will tell, but if people use it I'd expect 2 or 3 years. Q: Stable API/ABI for external modules? A: No. Q: Who will maintain this branch? A: I could do it, but if someone more experienced wants to do it that would be even better. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/