Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751260AbVLCO34 (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:29:56 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751263AbVLCO3z (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:29:55 -0500 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.192]:22418 "EHLO zproxy.gmail.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751260AbVLCO3z convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:29:55 -0500 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pmcUu1AzRDUxt62OhcrkGmp7Dj8xoDLp6FyhkM+x50sTlkTJKIsE+OEpN3hkBl2C48g/Xzv7vgk3h5/0Lt2pDTh/GwPVEfF4fG+nyBbGrsxx3134DcKxSX1/nD7FMTBMnEALbPFAj2zPznUlCR2xG6vFErzLGJt3mD6DUmkdXlk= Message-ID: <9a8748490512030629t16d0b9ebv279064245743e001@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 15:29:54 +0100 From: Jesper Juhl To: Adrian Bunk Subject: Re: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20051203135608.GJ31395@stusta.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051203135608.GJ31395@stusta.de> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2262 Lines: 57 On 12/3/05, Adrian Bunk wrote: > The current kernel development model is pretty good for people who > always want to use or offer their costumers the maximum amount of the > latest bugs^Wfeatures without having to resort on additional patches for > them. > > Problems of the current development model from a user's point of view > are: > - many regressions in every new release > - kernel updates often require updates for the kernel-related userspace > (e.g. for udev or the pcmcia tools switch) > > One problem following from this is that people continue to use older > kernels with known security holes because the amount of work for kernel > upgrades is too high. > > These problems follow from the development model. > > The latest stable kernel series without these problems is 2.4, but 2.4 > is becoming more and more obsolete and might e.g. lack driver support > for some recent hardware you want to use. > > Since Andrew and Linus do AFAIK not plan to change the development > model, what about the following for getting a stable kernel series > without leaving the current development model: > > > Kernel 2.6.16 will be the base for a stable series. > [snip] Why can't this be done by distributors/vendors? Any vendor is free to branch off at 2.6. and then maintain that indefinately. Why create yet-another-stable-branch? In effect you'd be making 2.6.17+ into a 2.7.x tree and 2.6.16.y would become a 2.6 tree in 2.4.x style, with all the backporting problems and vendor skew that 2.4.x suffered from. Personally I don't like this proposal. In my oppinion 2.6 + the -stable branch as we have it now works well and people who want userspace & kernel in sync are perfectly free to use vendor kernels (which is also the recommended thing to do for most users as far as I know). Just my 0.02euro. -- Jesper Juhl Don't top-post http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html Plain text mails only, please http://www.expita.com/nomime.html - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/