Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750715AbVLDEqg (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:46:36 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750724AbVLDEqf (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:46:35 -0500 Received: from user-0c938qu.cable.mindspring.com ([24.145.163.94]:8138 "EHLO tsurukikun.utopios.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750715AbVLDEqf (ORCPT ); Sat, 3 Dec 2005 23:46:35 -0500 From: Luke-Jr To: Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: RFC: Starting a stable kernel series off the 2.6 kernel Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2005 04:46:31 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9 References: <20051203152339.GK31395@stusta.de> <20051203225020.GF25722@merlin.emma.line.org> <20051204002043.GA1879@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20051204002043.GA1879@kroah.com> Public-GPG-Key: 0xD53E9583 Public-GPG-Key-URI: http://dashjr.org/~luke-jr/myself/Luke-Jr.pgp IM-Address: luke-jr@jabber.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512040446.32450.luke-jr@utopios.org> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1651 Lines: 33 On Sunday 04 December 2005 00:20, Greg KH wrote: > > Switch "broken bloaty bulky devfs" to "lean & clean devfs"? This ship > > would have been flying the "clean-up nation" flags. > > Again, because an in-kernel devfs is not the correct thing to do. devfs > has been disabled for a few months now, and I don't think anyone has > missed it yet :) Well, devfs does have some abilities udev doesn't: hotplug/udev doesn't detect everything, and can result in rarer or non-PnP devices not being automatically available; devfs has the effect of trying to load a module when a program looks for the devices it provides-- while it can cause problems, it does have a possibility to work better. Interesting effects of switching my desktop from devfs to udev: 1. my DVD burners are left uninitialized until I manually modprobe ide-cd or (more recently) ide-scsi 2. my sound card is autodetected and the drivers loaded, but the OSS emulation modules are omitted; with devfs, they would be autoloaded when an app tried to use OSS devfs also has the advantage of keeping the module info all in one place-- the kernel or the module. In particular, with udev the detection and /dev info is scattered into different locations of the filesystem. This can probably be fixed easily simply by having udev read such info from modules or via a /sys entry, though. -- Luke-Jr Developer, Utopios http://utopios.org/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/