Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932385AbVLEMTf (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:19:35 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932387AbVLEMTf (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:19:35 -0500 Received: from holomorphy.com ([66.93.40.71]:17635 "EHLO holomorphy.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932385AbVLEMTe (ORCPT ); Mon, 5 Dec 2005 07:19:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 04:18:51 -0800 From: William Lee Irwin III To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario Message-ID: <20051205121851.GC2838@holomorphy.com> References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1837 Lines: 34 On Mon, Dec 05, 2005 at 11:52:32AM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > Now this scenario may sound unlikely to you. And thankfully the main > assumption (the December 6th event) is extremely unlikely. > However, and this unfortunately, several of the other "leaps" aren't > that unlikely. In fact, some of these results are likely to happen > regardless; witness the flamewars on lkml about breaking module API/ABI. > Witness the ndiswrapper effect of vendors now saying "we support linux > because ndiswrapper can use our windows driver". I hope they won't > happen. Some of that hope will be idle hope, but I believe that the > advantages of freedom in the end are strong enough to overcome the > counter forces. The December 6 event is extraordinarily unlikely. What's vastly more likely is consistent "erosion" over time. First the 3D video drivers, then the wireless network drivers, then the fakeraid drivers, and so on. Each instance degrades Linux' capabilities without such drivers, and incrementally reduces the userbase of newer releases. I doubt there will be a "revolutionary" step at all, just progressively more erosion over time. As things go, Linux gets "flakier" as binary modules break for people when they upgrade, new versions support less hardware as the binary modules hobble them, and so on. DRM even threatens to prevent some machines from booting Linux in the categorical sense. I expect the closed source IP affairs rather to keep chipping away until Linux is dead, or they get tired and change strategies to kill it, versus any sudden changes of course. -- wli - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/