Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964920AbVLFMLJ (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:11:09 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964957AbVLFMLI (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:11:08 -0500 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:3262 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964920AbVLFMLH (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:11:07 -0500 Subject: Re: Linux in a binary world... a doomsday scenario From: Arjan van de Ven To: Felipe Alfaro Solana Cc: "M." , Andrea Arcangeli , Brian Gerst , William Lee Irwin III , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <6f6293f10512060404x57cfb97dqaa469f2701cd2528@mail.gmail.com> References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051205121851.GC2838@holomorphy.com> <20051206011844.GO28539@opteron.random> <43944F42.2070207@didntduck.org> <20051206030828.GA823@opteron.random> <1133869465.4836.11.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <6f6293f10512060404x57cfb97dqaa469f2701cd2528@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 13:11:01 +0100 Message-Id: <1133871062.4836.13.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-2.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin version 3.0.4 on pentafluge.infradead.org summary: Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL RBL: SORBS: sent directly from dynamic IP address [213.93.14.173 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 1.7 RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL RBL: NJABL: dialup sender did non-local SMTP [213.93.14.173 listed in combined.njabl.org] X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 993 Lines: 21 On Tue, 2005-12-06 at 13:04 +0100, Felipe Alfaro Solana wrote: > > I would turn this around; without some sort of effort from the USERS, > > things aren't going to change. As long as USERS don't use their > > purchase power to urge vendors that linux and open source are > > important, nothing is going to improve. > > I do always choose Linux-compatible hardware for my boxes. However, we > are still a small community, so I see it complicated using our power > to change vendor's minds. it worked in the past.. and the linux community got bigger. lots bigger. Now the hard part is getting the "newcomers" care about this and also help to convince the vendors, rather than blindly accepting that ndiswrapper and nvidia blobs are the right way. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/